LR: How many hours to lay

I’ve met with a girl I was dating for some time and fucked her the first time. I want to review the process (and maybe I’ll review other interesting lays):

Timeline:

• - met her a month ago (5 min)
• - 2 days after we met on our day 2, no kiss (~50 min)
• - the same night we kissed then I brought her to my apartment, we got naked but LMR won (2 hours)
• - 3 days after we meet again, same LMR (2 hours)
• - 1 call during a week of pause (I gamed other girls; 5 min)
• - 1 week after the last LMR we meet for a drink (~40 min)
• - 2 days after I go to her apartment where we get naked and LMR again, I pretend I was nervous (even though I didn’t really care as I was fucking other girls) and her roommate came (2 hours)
• - 1 week of pause
• - we try to get a movie night friday (I flake), sunday (she flakes) and yesterday we met
• - SEX!!! we fuck with no LMR whatsoever (I wanted a massage while we were kissing and she’s asking me: “Now?!?” -> sex was clear)

The girl: she is a HB 8, bored with life and without much experience in anything.She has also low, stable self esteem.

Total number of hours spent with her: 7 hours and 40 minutes (aproximately).

Notes:

• other girls don’t give me this kind of LMR or reactions
• I think she gave in to sex unconsciously in order to prevent losing me (as I was seeing her once a week)

Things to do differently: more comfort, sharing commonalities, an adventure somewhere in our interaction. I couldn’t really do them as she was pretty boring.

Key points I learned from this interaction:

• if you don’t call girls for a week, especially girls that don’t go clubbing they’ll think about you
• 5-10 hours until sex (Mystery’s rule) works
• keep dating girls you’ve met a while ago, you’ll lay them sooner rather than later

FR: Perfect A2

FR 5.10.2009

VARIOUS SETS

Today I got my standards up (because I’m dating 15 girls right now and I must cut the ones that are medium or I can’t vibe with). Basically I scouted the center of the town for HBs and couldn’t find a good looking girl on HEELS. Yep, from now on I’ll try hitting only on girls that are good looking and wear heels, this is the first condition. I had a DAY 2 with PU ID 88 and I’m not interested in her anymore. I also had a DAY 2 with PU ID 95 and from a HB 6.5 with big breasts I can only give her an UG 3 now (I was very aggressive in the date, trying to scare her off but she seemed to enjoy it and she was very attracted to me … YEAK!). In the night I was flaked by 2 dates (a real flake and a “I’m sick” flake) and I ejected from 2 sets because the first one was a high school girl very hot in her small skirt and the other one had a boyfriend.

I’m facing the problem I had last year in which I have so many girls with which I’m parallel dating and I can’t close any of them because I’m not attentive.

I’ve developed 5 rules for this:

• only open: HB9+, HB8+ very well dressed, mixed sets
• phone for a date, on 3 tries => delete
• always prefer the ones I K-closed to the ones I didn’t
• setup parallel dates at 18:30, 21 and 23 and if they don’t flake I’ll choose one to flake on (try to pair up flaky girl with HB9+)
• on <HB8 be very sexually aggressive (all or nothing approach, invite them to my house, etc) … see how it goes

Set 158– HB9 and HB9: A great “Are you a pitzi?” opener when I caught them taking pictures of themselves on the street. I’ve ran perfect A2: cocky funny, bantering, words with double meanings, angel/devil melodrama and got high spikes in attraction but I couldn’t get into A3. They had so much fun in A2 they didn’t answer to my A3 cold reads. The energy went down when 2 guys they knew came by and I couldn’t close the girl I wanted. A2 was perfect, the rest wasn’t. If I would have had a wing I could have isolated my target and all would have worked perfectly. Oh well!

Good stuff: Perfect A2 but I couldn’t get into A3 as they were too much fun.

Bad stuff: Couldn’t get into A3.

Where I lost the set: The girl was thinking of giving me her number while 2 (guy) friends stared.

Things to do differently: Now that I think of it I should have tried hard A3: tell me 3 things that make you different and close after that or act cool like I just don’t care. Also a cool move would have been to close the guys for a party and then the girls … but it wasn’t solid.

FR 6.10.2009

VARIOUS SETS

I’m keeping my standards now and I don’t enter the sets if they aren’t great. I hooked 2 girls but they weren’t locals AND they didn’t stay for the night. I also opened 2 girls with boyfriends so no success there. It gets challenging when you’re going for the heels HBs

FR: The dominatrix

FR 24.09.2009

Phone game with PU ID 83: We had a good rapport but we talked way too much on the phone and she started asking questions like “are you doing this to other girls?”, “why did you come to me?”. Then she tried to dominate the conversation telling me to stop talking and to do what she tells me. I told her I had to go, she told me not to close the phone, I told her the second time, she told me again. Only the third time I forced the close.

Good stuff: Instant rapport.

Bad stuff: I had an energy way above hers. I spoke too fast.

Things to do differently: I should have told her what she was doing when she tried to command me and make fun of her. The first time I wanted to close I should have closed the phone.

Set 147 – 3set HB8.5 (PU ID 85), HB8 (PU ID 84) and HB6.5: Opened them on my way home from the gym. The opener was bullshit but HB8 wanted to help. They were cool, I was cool … we all enjoyed the interaction.  I told a line somewhere and one of them caught me but I “escaped” . I also told them about a game I taught to a friend of mine and now he’s telling everyone about it … the cube and I was right by doing so as one of them knew about the game. I also found out that my target had a boyfriend in time (and that she is devoted to him. I didn’t seed a plan in time but I know to which club they are going and I plan to go with them tonight.

Good stuff: Opened the group perfectly, good frame, good calibration -> they loved me. Also found out that the HB8 was single and number closed them.

Bad stuff: I told a line.

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: I should have set the seed early on, also a story regarding the seed would help the close.

FR: Rundown

I feel like a girl now. I have options, I am in second base with some girls, girls call me and everybody seems to like me. My only problem is time and I can solve it by upping my standards. I need to concentrate on scoring runs with the girls I kissed, making out with the girls I like and progressing in my game. In 10 days I’ll finish my day 2s month and I can concentrate on pickup again.

 

FR 19.11.2008

Day 3 with PU ID 53 came home with me and we had pre-sex make-out but the LMR won. I need more comfort.

FR 18.11.2008

Clubbing with PU ID 51: I’ve met 2 other girls there and since I came with my HB9 they both wanted me. I dirty danced with them but didn’t kiss them as I had to go home.

FR 17.11.2008

Phone game with PU ID 56 called me and we spoke 30 minutes even though I didn’t kiss her. Am I only interesting to her or we have some connection?

FR: LMR again

FR 14.11.2008

Day 6 with PU ID 46: (8 hours so far). Still in the LMR zone. I got her topless but I couldn’t get my hand in her pants. Tried freezing (she started dressing), she on top, rubbing through her pants, got her rubbing my penis but that’s all there was. Next time we’ll probably have sex.

Good stuff: Progressed. I acted alpha. 

Bad stuff: Couldn’t fight LMR. I used a lot of tricks but it didn’t work. Maybe due to the 7 hour rule.

Things to do differently: -

 

Phone game with PU ID 48: I went into good comfort with her and she flaked (didn’t answer her phone). I don’t know why … probably something else in her life.

FR: Fighting LMR

FR 3.112008

My month of daily pickup is finished. This month I’m into Day 2s. I’ll open sets on the street but mainly for experiments.

Set 99 – 2 set: Opened them on the street, directly. The girl gave me puppy eyes but her friend was trying to save her. I talked with them but my style (telling stories) is not that congruent with direct game.

Good stuff: Opened directly. Got A1, some A2.

Bad stuff: I didn’t get into A3 as they weren’t the interesting type.

Where I lost the set: She didn’t want to give me her number (or her id) even though she tried to stay while her girl friend dragged her away. I think she was waiting for something from me.

Things to do differently: I need some good A3 material.

Phone game with PU ID 48: Dinner and a movie reframe: she brings the food from her work place, I bring the movies.

Good stuff: Logistics: I told her I will be in the neighbourhood when she finishes (so why shouldn’t she meet me?).   

Bad stuff: -

Things to do differently: -

 

Day 5 with PU ID 46: Got her into my bed but LMR won.

Good stuff: Good excuse to get her into your room: the tip bellow.  

Bad stuff: Couldn’t fight LMR. I used a lot of tricks but it didn’t work.

Things to do differently: GET THE HEAT ON. CLOSE ALL THE WINDOWS, MAKE HER SWEAT AND MAKE HER FEEL THE NEED TO STRIP.

 

 

TIP: Get her into your room - Send an sms with a plan: dress sporty, we’re going somewhere special. Meet me at <near your place>. Arrive there dressed from work and tell her you didn’t have time to change. The plan failed as the place you intended to go was closed. Now you have a good excuse to go with her to your apartment and change.

TIP: DHV SMS

Another original trick I invented: I have some HBs from another town. We sometimes talk on the phone and we always hang together when I’m going there but, since I’m not in their lives, the attraction fades. I need some spikes in my phone relationship. So I send them this:

Talk to Carla for the invitation to the masked ball. Yesterday I couldn’t (partied with some friends from Amst). Come with the New York guy as Diana likes him.

They know it was sent by mistake and they usually call me to ask why did I send them (chick dictionary: tell me more). I apologize for the mistake, talk a lot about the 2 parties and … don’t invite them

This may also work for girls in my town I didn’t keep contact with or in lots of other cases. If you know that girl X loves a band, send a SMS by mistake in which you write to girl Y that you plan on going there.

FR: Not enough time for sarging

FR 28.10.2008

 

Today I sarged 2 girls the second time. They were some (kind of) failures from way back and they remembered me. I kept my cool but didn’t progress.

Set 86 – HB6 (PUD ID 49): I love the way she was dressed so I opened her even though she appeared a hard set (went the other direction in a hurry). 

Good stuff: Very good body rocking, opened logistically hard set.

Bad stuff: No comfort.

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: I need a small comfort routine for day game.

Day 2 with PU ID 46: Went perfect. Got my kiss close.

Good stuff: Good eye contact and body language. Successfully tried the girlfriend test and the evolution phase shift routine.

Bad stuff: I got the kiss the third time. Should have played with her neck more and get it the first.

Things to do differently: I need a plan for Day 2s so we have more things to do, not just a drink. I should concentrate more on quality meetings instead on quantity meetings.

Phone game with PU ID 43: Got her for a meeting tomorrow (too bad I have another meeting AND an appointment at a doctor … all that … AFTER I finish work). I’m hoping for a flake here.

Good stuff: Great conversation. Went from extreme sports directly to book reading.

Bad stuff: -

Things to do differently: -

 

FR: Good tips, day 2 kiss close and sex talk

FR 22.10.2008

Set 83 – HB6 (PUD ID 46) + 3 girls: I give a HB6 here because she is small but she is very cute. I know her from dance classes. I used the trust test (palm squeeze) to check if she was ready to receive my number. We left together (me and her friends) and I got her number (but didn’t do any comfort). I won’t call her until after the next dancing session.

Good stuff: I finally implemented the trust test.

Bad stuff: No comfort (due to the group being there).

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: Play a game (which will make me different from the other guys).

 

Phone game with PU ID 43: I was at dance classes when I phoned her (which affected my game a bit). She flaked and she said maybe we aren’t right for each other. I think she’s the lonely type and I should decelerate and go into comfort.

Good stuff: -

Bad stuff: Didn’t build enough comfort before inviting her. I must practice calling girls just to build comfort.

Things to do differently: I must do more C1.

 

Found out PU ID 25 has a boyfriend, she told me on the phone but I used a BF destroyer and got the idea in her head that we should meet. I’ll call her later (when she dumped him or she is bored, to check things out. A lot of girls have boyfriends and still give me their number and when I phone them … they realize they did the wrong thing and we don’t meet.

 

Set 84 – HB8 (PUD ID 47) – 2 set: We had lots of things in common right from the start. She knew the pinky swear, we were hi5ing our way to comfort until my bus arrived. Unfortunately she has a boyfriend (but I still got her number).

Good stuff: Hugging and real connection. Only if I could relate to any set like that. Hooked the set so good that even her friend was happy that we had those similarities.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: -

 

TIP: How to meet a busy/flakey girl

Phone her and tell her you are at some friends near the place she lives, you’ll be leaving in an hour and you’d like to have a drink with her. If she refuses you don’t loose points (as you were just in the neighborhood). If she accepts you have an hour to arrive there. She’s also more likely to accept as she doesn’t have to go too far, she knows the place (which makes her feel secure) and you won’t look needy (you don’t go after her, you were just near by).

 

Day 2 with PU ID 32:  I used the tip above to Day 2 this girl. She came with a friend and we started talking. They were really chatty and we soon arrived to sex talk. The girls were sexually open, they had loads of experiences and I had a fun time. I kiss closed.

Good stuff: Hugging and my hand hold kino test that showed she was ready for a kiss. I talked with her friend in the beginning and negged her a bit. This had a huge impact in her attraction towards me.

Bad stuff: Nothing really but I need more teasing material.

Things to do differently: -

FR: I need to get rid of some neediness

FR 20.10.2008

Set 78 – HB8 + HB6: Opened them on the road to the university. I got the girl’s phone number (PU ID 45) even though I didn’t do A3 or C1 (I need to learn A3).

Good stuff: A number close as usual. I also used a situational (funny) opener.

Bad stuff: No A3, no open threads when we departed. I should’ve hinted at my palm reading routine.

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: I’m not using my general A3 questions, which is plain stupid! I should’ve qualified her.

 

Set 79 – HB6: Opened her at dance classes. I looked way too interested (I danced with her twice). After hours I opened her friends with a question and went with them to the dorms. I looked extremely needy when after she didn’t give me her number I followed her 10 more steps to her dorm without any reason whatsoever (I’m not used to not getting numbers).

Good stuff: Good opener, made her laugh.

Bad stuff: No A3, no open threads when we departed. I should’ve hinted at my palm reading routine.

Where I lost the set: I looked needy by following them. Should’ve ejected when I arrived to my dorm.

Things to do differently: Should’ve stayed low for the day and thrown a DHV spike another day, and another. Then, qualify her and get number. Don’t call the next day and ignore her at dance classes.

 

Phone game with PU ID 45: I repeated myself telling I was scared of meeting her (some sick role playing scenario I never developed). I also couldn’t EV and I didn’t use any structure.