A new sticking point rises

Woow! These couple of months were amazing. I had 3somes, same day lays, same night lays and all the shit I couldn’t have imagined 3 years ago. This tuned me to another level. I am very confident in bed, I know how to dominate, how to use parading and flash game to get the most beautiful girl’s number (even if she’s way taller than me) and to close the deal … but!

In the last week 4 things went wrong. I couldn’t kiss close on my day 2 on 2 girls and I lost to LMR on a SNL and a DAY 2 lay. WTF?

I’m now analyzing this for my sake and for any other reader that could use this info.

Here’s what happened:

Set 1: A date with a girl I number closed at a party. She was cute, by Pandora’s box system she is a realist and an investor. The date went great even though I had difficulty trying to avoid all her logical and emotionless stories. I stole her from the bar and we went to a restaurant at high altitude where I showed her the town. I tried to kiss her (even though I knew it wasn’t the moment … but I wanted LJBF prevention) and failed. I tried after a while and failed again. I brought her to my place where we dance and bonded (on a romantic / emotional level) but she wouldn’t kiss me. I also don’t think she’s a virgin … but she was elusive to my indirect inquiries. One more thing: I tried kissing her several times even though I knew she will refuse, I could’ve acted cold, as if she had a problem.

Set 2: A date with another girl from the same party. I number closed her 2 years ago (she’s gorgeous) but I couldn’t get the date then. Now I did and the result was the same as Set 1. Even though she was an idealist, tester, justifier … she was a virgin (with a great body – she was a dancer) and I couldn’t get the kiss. She was very responsive to my touch but I couldn’t get to that emotional high that would allow a kiss. Same thing as in Set 1, I tried kissing her several time without success. I didn’t act cold as the interaction went great (I preferred to be nonreactive).

Set 3: After a clubbing night I went home with a girl I sarged 3 months ago (but I had better opportunities then so I didn’t want her, she seemed shy). I was very smooth and got her all wet but I couldn’t undress her. I played hot-cold and she said that if she stayed she would let it go and she didn’t want to. I wasn’t really interested in her and I let her leave (it didn’t feel like I was losing something)

Set 4: I went to a club with a lot of girls (1 man – 8 females). I had my fuckbuddy there, my other fuckbuddy, 2 girls I kissed and didn’t close and 2 other dates that I intentionally LJBFed. One of those dates brought a girl with her. She was tall (one head above me) and gorgeous (she was modeling). I used preselection and flash game to get the HB. I ran a smooth game while getting my 2 fuckbuddies jealous. After number closing the girl I went home with my primary FB to get that jealous sex going.

2 days after I met with the tall model. Got a great date and kissed her (she was playfully denying me … which was bad, frame wise). I brought her home were we made out passionately and I couldn’t get pass the LMR. I masturbated via clothes but even though she was breathing heavily she stopped me. I tried for 1 hour but it didn’t go nowhere so I switched to debugging. She told me she needed security and trust … so I told her a story about an ex, then she told me she needs a romantic guy (but I knew better so I reframed it: she wanted a bad boy she can save that has a very deep side). I built a lot of comfort (hand in hand, talking about dreams) while the sexual tension dropped. One thing she told me: I was too insistent, it would have worked if she would’ve had a say. From my point of view: I didn’t do the 2 step forward one step back thingie, because I saw she was into it and I was too sure on myself (got her in my bed on first date, didn’t I?).

CORRECTION

Let’s analyze the 4 sets for a moment. One thing to note is that I still have attraction with all the girls and I can meet any of them if I want to (except Set 3 … I don’t have her number … nor do I want it). The girls like me and want another date with me … what went wrong?

1) Overconfidence

A few years ago I wouldn’t have dreamed of day 2 lays. Having a lot of them in the last couple of months changed me perception. I’m now EXPECTING them to happen. This has its good points and one BAD point. If it doesn’t happen, I try to force it! I use tricks to get her to my place as I know where I can get from there. The problem is that they backfire, she realizes during LMR that she didn’t want to get there. What I should do is play smooth game: get my A2, A3, C before going for the close … specially if I have time.

2) Not running smooth game

As I said before, overconfidence makes me skip game phases. I know that the 7 hours rule is old school … but it still exists (in some cases). I should be more empathic to the girl’s needs and do the A2/C phase a little stronger (read her better, find her needs and wants and then … sweep her off her feet).

3) Being reactive

I’m expecting to win, so if I’m having bad LMR or I can’t kiss I’ll try harder. I have the techniques to get a little further … but by being non-reactive I’ll probably skip 2 steps of the process. I should be less insistent once I’m denied the close.

CONCLUSION

Even though I usually get my way, these 4 sets made me realize some important things, the most important being that I’ll have to concentrate more on listening to what the girl needs.

STEPS TO CORRECT

1) Listen to what the girl needs / wants.

2) On a denied KISS / LMR be non-reactive, try again and if that fails break the mood and do something boring.

3) Get more A2 in to be more desirable.

Door Game continued and Coke Girls Gone Mad!

Door Game girls came to my house yesterday, bringing another cutie. We played some games and I invited them to the table games party I’ve organized for this week. I remember the time (about 2 years ago) when I didn’t feel comfortable if a girl brought a friend to a date, I didn’t know what to say or what to do. Now I say COME! so I can CHOOSE!

TAGS: Coke, prison, gun, HB9.5

I went to a mall where I ran into HB9.5 from the mother-daughter set. I negged her very hard (and she held it) while I bantered with her friend. I planned to close her again but her boyfriend came. While they talked, her friend was telling me about how she brought a gun in the prison for her boyfriend and about their coke parties. Someone reading this could say they were joking with me but I was in deep comfort and I felt comfortable talking about drugs so my guess is they didn’t.

She’s the 5th girl I know which is on coke and I find it strange how once you develop your comfort and rapport skills you gain enough trust to get to this kind of info.

Cajun’s technique towards getting tall women works! I tested it to 5+ girls and it’s all about being comfortable and telling them you’re used to higher heights.

FR: Best club game – stripper style

FR 16.10.2009

Like last year, I opened two girls on the street that I opened before. It’s happening all over again!

I went to a stand-up comedy show and invited a lot of girls from my social circle. I had so much DHV that I was basically in the center of attention. I timebridged a party with a girl that had 2 gorgeous friends. I didn’t game them, just acted cool and uninterested. A girl I gamed a while back came with her friend which I closed easily after that much social proof PU ID 103.

After that I went clubbing with a boy and a girl. We danced a lot, had a lot of fun and basically became the party animals I knew we were. She spanked my ass and I danced in a very dirty way with her. I then met with 3 friends from my social circle and had a lot of fun with them too. I also invited a boy to a party and left him talk to my friend for his number thus connecting two groups with great women in them for tonight.

Good stuff: Great night game: be very loud, shout like no one else shouts and hot dance with everyone!

Bad stuff: I didn’t open in night game. I could have easily opened some girls nearby that had a lot of fun.

Things to do differently: Ask an opener to my group then ask a group nearby.

FR: Bantering owns, club game – rocks

FR 29.09.2009

Set 150 – 6 set: I opened a 3 set with an opinion opener and then their friends came. I quickly made acquaintance with 3 other boys that joined the set and bantered and had a lot of fun. I didn’t use any routines, just bantered and bantered. I had a lot of fun, joked with my target and vibed with the group. I took the group leader’s mess id for a party as logistically I couldn’t close my target indirectly. PS: I tried to but she wasn’t interested in the threads I opened for the close.

Good stuff: Opened 6 set, vibed with all the group.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: I could’ve created other interesting threads that could result in a number close.

Night game

Set 151 – 6 set (PU ID 89): I opened a HB9 and vibed with her and her friends. It was my second mixed set. After a lot of fun and a cool isolation I’ve set a date 2 for today.

Good stuff: Opened mixed set, vibed.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: -

Set 152 – 3 set (PU ID 90): I opened them directly and vibed with the whole group. My target was talkative and had a business going but she was a HB6.5. I dirty danced with her and her friend and had a lot of fun. I isolated, #closed, K-closed  but after a while of dancing I got bored and the vibe started going down. I did a cool game that changed a bit the atmosphere and I left.

Good stuff: Everything.

Bad stuff: The vibe went down after a while.

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: -

Other noticeable things: I’ve met with PU ID 88 and after 5 minutes I left her alone to go to my friends. You should see her face! I’ve also met PU ID 83 and she danced all night. I’ll kiss her on a day 2. All in all I got 1 number close, 1 kiss close and went on a short 2nd date with one of my previous sarges. I also isolated all my sarges with success and I’m getting better and better at this game.

Things to do differently: Vin di Carlo’s escalation ladder, one night stands, get my standards up (tonight I sarged HB6.5, HB8 and HB9, I should ignore HB7s and go for the good looking ones).

FR 30.09.2009

Set 153 – 1 set HB9 (PU ID 91): A very cute girl passed by as I was going to work and I went after her. Went direct, vibed and did perfect game. I isolated her on a bench and got her number (even though she had a boyfriend).

Good stuff: Asking how long she was with her boyfriend (like 3 weeks). Getting her schedule (a very good move).

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: -

FR: Working on comfort game

I got decent A1->A3 game now and I need to learn my comfort game (and anti-flake techniques). I also get 1-2 new lays / month which is great and motivating.

FR 20.12.2008

Set 130 – 2 set – hot approach: Some friends of my friends. After A3 the girl wanted to dance more and she was getting drunk and instead of using this to my advantage another of my friends started dirty dancing with her.

Good stuff: A1, A2, A3, some comfort.

Bad stuff: No sexuality and no playfulness. Also no C&F and I didn’t make fun of her.

Where I lost the set: I didn’t loose the set and I didn’t close.

Things to do differently: More sexuality, she was into party mode and I didn’t realize.

Set 131 – 5 set (PU ID 72): Opened the girl over the shoulder while I was with some friends on the ring.

Good stuff: A1 with preselection, A2, A3, some comfort. Disappearances, meeting her friends, vibing with them.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: Something she would remember me by.

FR 19.12.2008

Set 129 – 2 set: Opened them in the club (I told them I was waiting for some girls). I ignored and dominated the one I liked (she seemed to like it). They were both bigger tham me and the one I was into had a level 3 bitch shield. It didn’t ruin my frame but I couldn’t close.

Good stuff: -

Bad stuff: Too much incredibleness. My target was asking me if I knew about X too, trying to make fun of me.

Where I lost the set: They left.

Things to do differently: I stayed a lot in A2, should’ve gone into comfort with both (?!?).

FR 18.12.2008

Set 127 – 1 set: Opened a girl in the tram. She was very defensive until I teased her and then she was ok but she still had a boyfriend.

Good stuff: C&F.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: The tram arrived at her station.

Things to do differently: Didn’t tease her in the beginning. A funny game would help.

Set 128 – 1 set: Opened her directly. She kept asking me what I wanted and she was very defensive (and very beautiful). She didn’t understand a guy was picking her up I guess and she told me she had a boyfriend.

Good stuff: -

Bad stuff: I didn’t state the obvious: I want to pick you up. Bad BL and EC.

Where I lost the set: She said she had a boyfriend and I was obvious not on my way.

Things to do differently: I need to be more clear on what I want.

FR 12.12.2008

Set 126 – 1 set (PU ID 71): Opened a sangvinig girl in the bus. She’s into clubs and she learns a lot. Got her number but she flaked after.

Good stuff: Good close in those circumstances (the bus arrived at her destination). Handled logistics well.

Bad stuff: Nothing she would remember me by, I needed an anchor.

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: Cocky funny, COLD READING (display authority on her world)!!!

FR 11.12.2008

Set 125 – 1 set: Opened her on the street (after I’ve seen her in the bus). I opened the set without FTC, body rocking and she knew I was trying to pick her up. She didn’t have any cool experiences to share and I couldn’t find common interests with her in A3. She was also late (and in a BIG hurry).

Good stuff: -

Bad stuff: A1 problems (FTC, body rocking, EC). I forgot about them (or didn’t really care).

Where I lost the set: When she was near her work place and didn’t want to give me her messenger id.

Things to do differently: A funny game when the girl is in a rush and something mindblowing (a very good cold read).

FR: Sarging in a loud club

FR 19.09.2008

Set 8 HB9: I opened her on the way to work but in the middle of my opener she had to take left. I was a bit in front of her and it was clear I wasn’t going in the same direction. So we split up. I SHOULD HAVE GONE DIRECT!

Some (girl) friends of mine invited me to a club. I’ve met some friends and here I go:

Set 9 HB9Blonde: I opened her in the disco, made acquaintance with her friends and negged her a bit. She wasn’t that attentive so I switched to her HB8.5 friend. She seemed a little bit interested but somehow it didn’t work. I ejected during A2 with the intention of going later. After a while I opened them again and when my I presented my wing the HB9Blonde turned over.

Set 10 HB8.5 Blonde: A friend of some friends (PU ID 5). I ran A2 on her, did a lot of kino and while I was talking with some friends she left. When she returned later I did some A3 but she kept telling me she was a good friend of my ex. I ignored that, isolated her and took her number. In the isolation she met her friends and I had some miscalibrations. I also left her a ring of mine (“are you a thief?” routine) and when I arrived I felt confident and asked my ex if it was ok if we went out. That made the blonde nervous in a bad way and she left to her friends. I sent her an SMS and she responded just about now (one hour after). She seems interested.

Good points:

• I’ve met some new people and ran social circle game (getting my friends acquainted with each other) even if it didn’t go that well (they split into groups soon after). I still appeared to every group that I had many many friends.

Bad points:

• Set 8 – should’ve gone direct (always get the number if you like the girl)
• Set 9 – bad game: should’ve made them comfortable with me … travel stories don’t work so well in a loud club -> I need to get short/funny ones
• Set 10 – bad social game: telling my ex in front of the girl that I liked her and we’ll date
• Set 10 – I should’ve been more masculine (I told her that she wanted to kiss me and she got into defensive, she also kept telling about her relationship with my ex which actually meant that she wanted me to give an excuse)

Sticking points:

• I am needy!!! I need a state of mind in which I really don’t care. I mean I don’t care if I get rejected by girl X but I get some bad emotions when I’m doing mistakes.
• I need more material in my game (eventually changing some routines) but before that, I want to learn all the phases.