LR: How many hours to lay

I’ve met with a girl I was dating for some time and fucked her the first time. I want to review the process (and maybe I’ll review other interesting lays):

Timeline:

• - met her a month ago (5 min)
• - 2 days after we met on our day 2, no kiss (~50 min)
• - the same night we kissed then I brought her to my apartment, we got naked but LMR won (2 hours)
• - 3 days after we meet again, same LMR (2 hours)
• - 1 call during a week of pause (I gamed other girls; 5 min)
• - 1 week after the last LMR we meet for a drink (~40 min)
• - 2 days after I go to her apartment where we get naked and LMR again, I pretend I was nervous (even though I didn’t really care as I was fucking other girls) and her roommate came (2 hours)
• - 1 week of pause
• - we try to get a movie night friday (I flake), sunday (she flakes) and yesterday we met
• - SEX!!! we fuck with no LMR whatsoever (I wanted a massage while we were kissing and she’s asking me: “Now?!?” -> sex was clear)

The girl: she is a HB 8, bored with life and without much experience in anything.She has also low, stable self esteem.

Total number of hours spent with her: 7 hours and 40 minutes (aproximately).

Notes:

• other girls don’t give me this kind of LMR or reactions
• I think she gave in to sex unconsciously in order to prevent losing me (as I was seeing her once a week)

Things to do differently: more comfort, sharing commonalities, an adventure somewhere in our interaction. I couldn’t really do them as she was pretty boring.

Key points I learned from this interaction:

• if you don’t call girls for a week, especially girls that don’t go clubbing they’ll think about you
• 5-10 hours until sex (Mystery’s rule) works
• keep dating girls you’ve met a while ago, you’ll lay them sooner rather than later

TIP: Have her always accept your plan

I usually date college girls and they always have this strange time table I can’t follow so I note down their schedule (as they refuse me or if they tell me directly). I then call them right when they get out and invite them somewhere near. It always works.

FR: A great comfort game I developed

FR 12.11.2008

Set 115 – HB5 (PU ID 64): She’s a very erotic girl. I took her number after a dance and we’ll probably hang out sometime.

Good stuff: Direct and dominant.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: -

 

TIP: A comfort game I developed to create rapport

Tell her she’s the <X> type (melancholic, sanguine, choleric or phlegmatic). Then explain to her the four temperaments and what are the characteristics for each one. She’ll start telling you she’s like that, she’s not like that and you can create rapport here, share commonalities, EV, etc.

FR: Fighting LMR

FR 3.112008

My month of daily pickup is finished. This month I’m into Day 2s. I’ll open sets on the street but mainly for experiments.

Set 99 – 2 set: Opened them on the street, directly. The girl gave me puppy eyes but her friend was trying to save her. I talked with them but my style (telling stories) is not that congruent with direct game.

Good stuff: Opened directly. Got A1, some A2.

Bad stuff: I didn’t get into A3 as they weren’t the interesting type.

Where I lost the set: She didn’t want to give me her number (or her id) even though she tried to stay while her girl friend dragged her away. I think she was waiting for something from me.

Things to do differently: I need some good A3 material.

Phone game with PU ID 48: Dinner and a movie reframe: she brings the food from her work place, I bring the movies.

Good stuff: Logistics: I told her I will be in the neighbourhood when she finishes (so why shouldn’t she meet me?).   

Bad stuff: -

Things to do differently: -

 

Day 5 with PU ID 46: Got her into my bed but LMR won.

Good stuff: Good excuse to get her into your room: the tip bellow.  

Bad stuff: Couldn’t fight LMR. I used a lot of tricks but it didn’t work.

Things to do differently: GET THE HEAT ON. CLOSE ALL THE WINDOWS, MAKE HER SWEAT AND MAKE HER FEEL THE NEED TO STRIP.

 

 

TIP: Get her into your room - Send an sms with a plan: dress sporty, we’re going somewhere special. Meet me at <near your place>. Arrive there dressed from work and tell her you didn’t have time to change. The plan failed as the place you intended to go was closed. Now you have a good excuse to go with her to your apartment and change.

FR: Cocky funny GETS YOU LAID

FR 1.112008

 

Set 95 – HB8: I approached directly. Got A2, A3 and a little bit of comfort. The only problem was logistics: she arrived at her block and it was raining so she wanted to get inside. Also her clothes were on the balcony and she wanted to move them in. This made her break my game in A2 (entering the building) and in C1 (going for the clothes). I didn’t get her number, only her messenger id which was fake.

Good stuff: I can open directly if I see it fit. Got her interested enough to arrive in C1 with her.

Bad stuff: The good boy vibe. 

Where I lost the set: Her being in a hurry.

Things to do differently: Should’ve teased her AT LEAST ONCE.

 

From there I went to a private costume party with my friends. I gave love to the room (everybody tried to took the my mask). It is a blessing to have a mask in A2 and a curse to continue with it. There is mystery but the girl has her guards up. Took some messenger ids from girls that took pictures with me (I’ll try some mess game … maybe).

 

Set 96 – 2 set (mixed): I talked to the guy, took the girl (HB9) from him and danced with her. There I made some A2 and isolated her on a near bench. Comfort building and back to our table. She thinks I’m deep and she likes me but she was physically interested in another boy at the party.

Good stuff: Good standard game.

Bad stuff: No teasing.

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: Should’ve teased her AT LEAST ONCE.

Set 97 – HB5 (PU ID 53): I went to sit with some girls and gamed one of them. While I was doing my first C1 game my *close sensor went wild. We made out like little rabbits. C1 C1 C1 followed and a little C2. I have a secret technique that makes girls melt for me. Some of her friends tried to take her while I had moved her outside and she didn’t want to. I asked her later if she wanted to go to them but she refused. My friends were leaving and I had no excuse to stay there any longer so I left too. 

Good stuff: Everything.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: Should’ve bounced her to a fast food and from there to my room.

 

From there we went to a club.

Set 98 – 2 set: I opened them with something specific for my costume. I gamed the girl pretty well but a friend of mine made a bad impression (twice) and then sit near her. This ruined the set (she left). I could’ve taken her number.

Good stuff: Good game.

Bad stuff: The good boy vibe. 

Where I lost the set: Friends sabotaging me. Even though they know about PU they enter my sets without any reason. One of them tried to speak with the girl’s friend without being introduce. He ejected after a while.

Things to do differently: Should’ve teased her AT LEAST ONCE.

TIP: I left my drink at the girl’s table while I spoke with some friends. This was a good excuse for me to come back and continue the discussion. This could be called The Drink Prop.

FR: Peacocking at max

FR 31.10.2008

Set 92 – HB7 (PU ID 52): My hair wasn’t gelled today. I was the cute boy but I still entered a conversation with a girl waiting in line. I found we were heading in the same direction so we took a cab. I gamed her in the car and I was getting so many IOIs and, since the time was short, I asked for her number. She didn’t give it to me. I continued gaming after we got out of the taxi and I spinned her. She loved it and we made out. My first kiss close in day game.

Good stuff: I can handle the situation when girls don’t give me their number in an alpha manner.

Bad stuff: I didn’t anchor anything regarding an adventure (or a nickname or something).

Where I lost the set: -.

Things to do differently: I didn’t quite EV.

TIP: A trick that works with some girls is to pay for the taxi and to have her buy you a drink afterwards.

Day 2 with PU ID 49: We meet and I was carrying my Halloween costume so we go to my room to leave it there. There I show her some movies and we have some fun (she’s crazy) but I miss comfort totally. I go for the kiss and she refuses. I understand now that even if things go too well, comfort must be built.

Good stuff: Logistics: got her to my room and she enjoyed the experience.  

Bad stuff: No comfort. Didn’t move her to my bed.

Things to do differently: Don’t get thrown off your game if she is friendly.

 

Day 2 with PU ID 42: There was an AFC with her and a common friend. The guy was totally lost. My girl was into vampires so we vibed into that and AFTER we vibes he asked her: “So, do you like vampires?”.

Good stuff: Made A2 and A3 at max, I isolated her a little by talking   

Bad stuff: Not enough comfort.

Things to do differently:  I should’ve accentuated comfort and created some connection patterns.

 

I went with my Halloween costume in some clubs. I was peacocked at max and all girls opened me and tried to take a picture with me. The only problem was the game script has changed. I couldn’t throw my usual stories as they weren’t congruent with my costume and I DIDN’T ROLEPLAY.

 

Set 93 – 2 set: They didn’t hook with my stories (I can’t hook dancing sets with my game as they prefer to dance that to listen). My motto from now on: bring pre-gamed girls to clubs. 

Good stuff: I … opened!

Bad stuff: In this environment I don’t know what to say to continue being stimulating.

Where I lost the set: Not being stimulating enough.

Things to do differently: I noticed that successful guys talk a bit with girls and then start dancing hot. Some girls refuse, others accept. That’s the only way I’ve seen guys being moderately successful.

 

Set 94 – 5 set: Hooked them with my costume. I befriended everyone and took pictures with them. Then I gamed my target while the guy that was dating her was standing next to me. I played a game with them which made him look … well … dumb. I found out she was a virgin (and she liked that) so I didn’t take her number (she was also religious).

Good stuff: I had fun with them and the guy had no chance. It seems I get points when I hit on girls with boyfriend wannabes near.

Bad stuff: Nothing really. I could have isolated and got my phone number.

Where I lost the set: Not being interested.

Things to do differently: Should have tried using the girl as a pivot on another set, having fun with her, role playing with her.

 

 

TIP: DHV SMS

Another original trick I invented: I have some HBs from another town. We sometimes talk on the phone and we always hang together when I’m going there but, since I’m not in their lives, the attraction fades. I need some spikes in my phone relationship. So I send them this:

Talk to Carla for the invitation to the masked ball. Yesterday I couldn’t (partied with some friends from Amst). Come with the New York guy as Diana likes him.

They know it was sent by mistake and they usually call me to ask why did I send them (chick dictionary: tell me more). I apologize for the mistake, talk a lot about the 2 parties and … don’t invite them

This may also work for girls in my town I didn’t keep contact with or in lots of other cases. If you know that girl X loves a band, send a SMS by mistake in which you write to girl Y that you plan on going there.

FR: Good tips, day 2 kiss close and sex talk

FR 22.10.2008

Set 83 – HB6 (PUD ID 46) + 3 girls: I give a HB6 here because she is small but she is very cute. I know her from dance classes. I used the trust test (palm squeeze) to check if she was ready to receive my number. We left together (me and her friends) and I got her number (but didn’t do any comfort). I won’t call her until after the next dancing session.

Good stuff: I finally implemented the trust test.

Bad stuff: No comfort (due to the group being there).

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: Play a game (which will make me different from the other guys).

 

Phone game with PU ID 43: I was at dance classes when I phoned her (which affected my game a bit). She flaked and she said maybe we aren’t right for each other. I think she’s the lonely type and I should decelerate and go into comfort.

Good stuff: -

Bad stuff: Didn’t build enough comfort before inviting her. I must practice calling girls just to build comfort.

Things to do differently: I must do more C1.

 

Found out PU ID 25 has a boyfriend, she told me on the phone but I used a BF destroyer and got the idea in her head that we should meet. I’ll call her later (when she dumped him or she is bored, to check things out. A lot of girls have boyfriends and still give me their number and when I phone them … they realize they did the wrong thing and we don’t meet.

 

Set 84 – HB8 (PUD ID 47) – 2 set: We had lots of things in common right from the start. She knew the pinky swear, we were hi5ing our way to comfort until my bus arrived. Unfortunately she has a boyfriend (but I still got her number).

Good stuff: Hugging and real connection. Only if I could relate to any set like that. Hooked the set so good that even her friend was happy that we had those similarities.

Bad stuff: -

Where I lost the set: -

Things to do differently: -

 

TIP: How to meet a busy/flakey girl

Phone her and tell her you are at some friends near the place she lives, you’ll be leaving in an hour and you’d like to have a drink with her. If she refuses you don’t loose points (as you were just in the neighborhood). If she accepts you have an hour to arrive there. She’s also more likely to accept as she doesn’t have to go too far, she knows the place (which makes her feel secure) and you won’t look needy (you don’t go after her, you were just near by).

 

Day 2 with PU ID 32:  I used the tip above to Day 2 this girl. She came with a friend and we started talking. They were really chatty and we soon arrived to sex talk. The girls were sexually open, they had loads of experiences and I had a fun time. I kiss closed.

Good stuff: Hugging and my hand hold kino test that showed she was ready for a kiss. I talked with her friend in the beginning and negged her a bit. This had a huge impact in her attraction towards me.

Bad stuff: Nothing really but I need more teasing material.

Things to do differently: -

Neanderthal No More – posture fixing program

Neanderthal No More - I’ll try it out next year after doing some gym.

FR: Good game for clubs

FR 16.10.2008

Set 72 – HB7 (PU ID 43): She’s a teacher at a school near the place I work. I also have the numbers of two of her students (evil me!). She told me a lot about herself (so my palm reading will be a blast in the near future) and she didn’t want to give me her number (the first time). After more rapport she gave it.

Phone game with PU ID 32: I started the conversation with some predefined threads but it quickly got into rapport. If I like the person (and have similarities) I can quickly develop rapport. I know she won’t flake on me now.

Phone game with PU ID 31: Role playing rocks! We got talking about some baby toys I’ll buy for her and how she’ll wear them. We established a meeting for today (but it’s still on maybe which is great as I need some sleep).

I’ve met 2 girls in a bar, one of which I like but I lost the set even though I said an interesting story (I told it WAY TOO FAST).

TIP – Anti AA club game: The game I played destroyed any AA me and my wing could have. Basically we took turns in pointing to sets and the other one had to enter. If you miss a set you buy the other person a drink. Another derivation: if you miss a set your friend gives you the next opener.

I opened multiple sets, some of them were dancing (a bad move probably but we played a game). One of the girls rejected me directly, another listened to my story then said she wanted to dance, another’s friend came to save her. The problem was mainly on the dance floor because girls there wanted to party and not meet guys. Conclusion: don’t open on the dance floor except when they don’t dance, have low energy and/or can hear me.

Set 73 – 2 set (PU ID 44): I opened one of them indirectly and got lots of IOIs. I played the game well and was soon in comfort. She loves me and hugged me all day. After the night I sent her an sms to which she replied in the morning. She can’t wait to see me.

The game I played in the club made me ignore any AA me and my wing could have. Basically we took turns in pointing to sets and the other one had to enter. If you miss a set you buy the other person a drink. Another derivation: if you miss a set your friend gives you the next opener.

 

Good points:

• anti AA game
• talking to the teacher after she refused me and still taking the number
• pretty much no AA during club game

Bad points:

• bad club game
• doing bad logistics (opening dancing sets without preselection, without higher energy, without them hearing me)

Sticking points:

• my wing noticed it too: SPEAKING TOO FAST 
• BAD CLUB GAME (I’ll implement some tricks I found on the net)